Blog/6 min read
The five pillars: a different way to read a conversation
Most conversation advice tells you what to do. The five pillars help you see what is actually happening in a conversation, so you can tell which part is off and fix it.

Most conversation advice tells you what to do. This is about learning to see what's actually happening.
You had a conversation last week that should have gone well. The other person was engaged. You were engaged. You covered real topics, asked good questions, listened well. And you left feeling like something didn't quite land.
You couldn't say why. Neither could they, probably.
Most conversation advice can't help you here. The tactical models, how to open, how to keep going, how to end, assume you can already tell what's happening in a conversation. They give you specific moves at specific moments. They don't help you notice when something is off across all the moments at once.
That's what this framework is for.
What the theorists have been saying for 60 years
Communication theorists have been mapping the dimensions of conversation since at least the 1960s. Roman Jakobson, the linguist, identified six functions of language operating simultaneously in every utterance. Paul Watzlawick, working in family therapy, distinguished the content of a message from the relationship signal it carries. Friedemann Schulz von Thun in Germany synthesized these into a four-sides model: every message contains factual content, self-revelation, a relationship signal, and an appeal.
These frameworks are good and largely correct. They're also mostly theoretical. They tell you what conversation is at a systemic level. They don't quite tell you how to use that knowledge on a Tuesday afternoon when a conversation with your colleague isn't quite working.
Here's a working version, calibrated for practice, with a fifth pillar the older frameworks miss.
Five pillars, each carrying a different part of the weight.
The five pillars
Every conversation runs on five pillars at once. Some pillars carry more weight in some moments; others carry more in others. When a conversation feels off, one or more of these pillars is misaligned. The framework helps you identify which.
1. Intention, the Why
What is this conversation for? Are you both here for the same thing?
This is the pillar the theoretical frameworks mostly miss, and it's the one that most often explains why conversations feel off. Two people can be technically talking without sharing intention. One wants to feel connected; the other wants to solve a problem. One wants to catch up; the other wants to network. One wants to think out loud; the other is trying to give advice.
When intentions aren't aligned with each other, it affects everything else. Emotion drops, connection can't build, attention drifts. The conversation feels like effort because both people are trying to do different things with the same words.
Fixes: mismatched goals, effortful conversations where neither person can quite say what's wrong, catch-ups that don't feel like catching up.
2. Information, the What
What is actually being exchanged?
This is the pillar most conversation advice focuses on and most people over-rely on. Facts, updates, opinions, questions, answers. The literal content of what's being said.
Information exchange is real and necessary. It's also often used as cover. When a conversation stays at pure information, it feels efficient but hollow. You're catching up on facts without meeting each other.
Fixes: conversations that feel like status reports, over-reliance on topics as a substitute for engagement, "I don't know what to say" that really means "I don't know what facts to add."
3. Emotion, the How
What is being felt, and how is it being expressed?
Not what someone says. How they say it. The tone, the warmth (or its absence), the discomfort you can hear under a normal-sounding answer, the flicker of enthusiasm when they mention something they care about.
Emotion is what makes an information exchange into a conversation. Without it, you're two people trading data. With it, you're two people who feel each other.
Fixes: clinical interactions, missing when someone is uncomfortable or excited, being told the words but not hearing the register they were said in.
4. Connection, the Who
Are you relating to each other as specific people, or as roles?
This is the pillar that separates a friendly interaction from a genuinely human one. When connection is high, the other person is a specific individual with a specific history, and you're a specific individual meeting them. When connection is low, you're both performing your social roles (colleague, parent, customer, friend) without much of the person showing up.
Connection can be present in short interactions and absent in long ones. Two neighbors exchanging six words on the sidewalk can have more connection than two spouses discussing the week.
Fixes: robotic interactions, feeling interchangeable, conversations where you can't remember what the other person said an hour later because you never quite met them.
5. Attention, the Where
Are you actually here?
Attention is the pillar that determines whether any of the other four can work. When attention is elsewhere, on your phone, on your next meeting, on the story you're going to tell after they finish, the conversation is happening without you in it.
Attention isn't just physical presence. It's mental. Someone can be at your table, phone away, looking at you, and still be somewhere else entirely. You can usually feel it. So can they.
Fixes: distracted conversations, half-hearing what someone said, the specific pattern of "I don't know how to be present with people" that most modern life encourages.
What runs between two people while they talk.
How to use the pillars
The tactical models in this work (REACH, CARE, SHOW) tell you what to do at specific moments. The pillars tell you what's happening across all your moves.
When a conversation feels off, don't panic-fix by changing tactics. Diagnose first. Ask which pillar is misaligned.
- Off in a way you can't name? Usually Intention. You're both trying to do different things.
- Feels hollow despite good topics? Usually Emotion or Connection missing.
- Feels efficient but forgettable? Information-heavy, other pillars low.
- Feels like the other person isn't really there? Attention (theirs, or yours).
- Feels transactional even with someone you care about? Connection at low weight, Information doing all the work.
Once you know which pillar is off, the fix follows. If Intention is misaligned, name what you're both here for. If Emotion is missing, offer some. If Connection is low, notice the specific person in front of you. If Attention is elsewhere, come back.
How this fits with the tactical models
The pillars are the map. REACH, CARE, and SHOW are how you move through the territory.
REACH is heavily about Attention (Read) and Connection (Engage, Hold). It's the sequence for moving from noticing to talking to staying.
CARE is heavily about Emotion (Catch) and Connection (Aim, Respond, Extend). It's the mechanics of receiving what someone said in a way that meets them.
SHOW is heavily about Information (Specific) and Emotion (Honest). It's the mechanics of offering something substantive that the other person can receive.
None of the tactical models addresses all five pillars equally, and that's the point. They optimize for specific pillars in specific moments. The pillars framework lets you see which model applies when.
The point
The five pillars don't replace the tactical models. They explain why the tactical models work.
If you're the kind of person who learns by doing, the tactical models are your entry point. Use REACH, CARE, and SHOW to develop the specific skills. The pillars will click naturally as you practice.
If you're the kind of person who learns by understanding, the pillars are your entry point. See what a conversation actually is at a structural level. The tactical models will make sense as specific applications.
Both paths land in the same place: you get better at noticing what's happening in a conversation while it's happening, and adjusting in real time. Which is what makes someone easy to talk to, not because they're doing anything special, but because they're actually there.
The five pillars and the tactical models are the framework I teach in the course. If any of this landed, the full material is in the course.